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Topic: Can you recommend a weed closet ?
Posted By: rom1ru2
Subject: Can you recommend a weed closet ?
Date Posted: 03 April 2017 at 16:36
Hi all,
I am looking for a good closet to grow automatic weed indoor. I am not looking for the cheapest, I want something that works well and ideally that comes in one box with all you need in it. Can someone recommend a website that sells that and delivers in Europe ?
Thanks guys!
Peace
R



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Posted By: castlecity
Date Posted: 03 April 2017 at 17:13
hey mate i got a 1x1x2m tent and grown about 20 autos over the year and it works brillianti never had a trouble with to tall flowers with autos atleast. the brand is secret jardin and quite easy to get for autos you could go smaller tent aswell.

hope it help best regards.


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 03 April 2017 at 17:29
Thank you ! That's exactly what I was looking for :) Spot on mate !
Best regards


Posted By: Provence
Date Posted: 05 April 2017 at 22:12
Hi Romain,

I think you don't need to buy the best brand of grow-tent, a less expensive brand will do the job just as well. I kept a 199€ 120x120cm tent for 7 years before the ziplock started to break and I was very indelicate with it. With just a bit more care, a bit tournesol-oil on a paintbrush over the ziplocks I could have kept her a few years longer.


In order for you to avoid the time-consuming, nail biting mistakes that any beginner grower makes, I suggest you have a look at the old 90's dutch video "K2 grow" (old famous widow/hindu nose-rape cross, that used to be very popular among cash-croppers)
Here is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC4AzhRa_Wk

If you take 120x120cm, the standard size, get it in a KIT with a 600w HPS, a 600m3/h silent exhaust fan, a 600m3/h carbon filter, some yoyos for raising the lamp, and a 2x55w neon for the germinating/early vegetative phase.
I also suggest you make yourself a wood crate with 2 holes that you glue to the window, like the guy builds in the video. It allows your plants to breath without being subject to temperature changes :
The hot air ducting is plugged to the upper crate-hole and another piece of ducting plugged to the bottom hole goes back to the bottom of the tent (like a loop).

If you have any question, feel free to ask or PM
%3cmile
Prov



Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 06 April 2017 at 08:59
Thanks very much for that answer Prov. To be honest I was looking into those now https://www.g-tools.nl/fr/ which is the total opposite of a cheap and homemade option. I want treat myself I think. Anyway when the time to pay will come I might change my mind and go for an homemade option! :)
Bonne journée
Romain


Posted By: Provence
Date Posted: 06 April 2017 at 21:40
Hi Romain

Indeed, these cabinets look great and indeed they come with the price.
But they're more discreet.
Have you watched the video ?
Can you tell us a bit more about the system you're planning to grow them in ?
Bonne journée à toi bro


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 07 April 2017 at 12:51
Hey, yes I've watched the video and everything else I could find too :) The brown one is pretty discreet I think looking a bit old fashion. Their led lights are very good I think and if anyone go for one of their closet should spend the extra 500 to get the led light. What do you mean by the system I plan to grow them in ? If you meant the plants, I will go for Pure power plant auto, Northern light auto and White Diesel haze auto probably. And maybe a fourth one if there is space for it. Always Sensi Seeds because they are the best :)


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 07 April 2017 at 13:56
Re, sorry I just understood your question now :/ I'm not sure, probably the 1m2. I'm moving to a new place in a couple of month, so I'll buy it then. I will post pictures.
Bonne journée.


Posted By: Provence
Date Posted: 07 April 2017 at 20:26
Hi Romain

So if I make a recap, you'll be growing
-1m2
-LED lights
-Autos

Will you be doing hydroponics or soil ?

I'm all for the LED lights. They work really well, specially during summer time.
Now for the autos, I really don't get the point of growing autos indoor.
They take just as long to grow as normal strains, they yield bad, and they need 18h of light for a decent harvest instead of 12.
Power Plant is a great strain, Northern Lights too, White Diesel should be good (never tried though). Can you tell us why you're into autoflowering indoors ?

Prov


Posted By: organicgrow
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 07:47
Originally posted by Provence


Now for the autos, I really don't get the point of growing autos indoor.
They take just as long to grow as normal strains, they yield bad, and they need 18h of light for a decent harvest instead of 12.
Power Plant is a great strain, Northern Lights too, White Diesel should be good (never tried though). Can you tell us why you're into autoflowering indoors ?



That is a very valid point IMO.


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"I support and oppose many things, but not strongly enough to pick up a pen." - Bender


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 09:10
Hi Prov,

I choose the easiest solution.

I will go for autos indoor because they are easier to grow. I grow regular (feminized) outdoor at the moment but mother nature is doing everything, easy ! And next week I'm going to sow a few autos out there too so I can have a little smoke this summer, but again I will let mother nature do everything. Mid to end of April its the good time for those (i live close to the 35th parallel). Actually the 23rd and the 30th of April this year are perfect days to sow flowers according to moon calendar. Now regular indoor demand a bit more work right ?

Beside this a huge yield is not what I am looking for here, the one and only goal for my gardening job is for me to stay as far as possible from black market and all the sh*t that goes with it.

I am looking into hydroponics because soil is, again, more work :) Clay balls look like the easiest medium once your plants have germinated in rock wool cubes. It's light, reusable and clean, so sounds perfect to avoid a lot of mess like bringing in soil and changing it, etc...

Happy easter!


Posted By: Provence
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 21:42
Hello rom1

I wish you the best for your indoor and outdoor crop.
I believe with all the money you invested in this super stealth closet, you'll come back to photoperiod strains very soon but one needs to learn and practice to move forward.

Keep us updated ok ?
See you

Prov


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 23:12
Hey Prov,

Thanks for your help and advice. You have me thinking now...

My main concern in growing photoperiods in a closet is to change light time too late and end up with plants pushing up the ceiling ! My first grow a couple years ago was an indica strain (purple bud) in a green house , those plants were suppose to be small but by the end of summer they had reach the ceiling.

So I guess you are growing photoperiods indoor right ? What will you say is the most difficult part ? And what is the most important thing to do/know ?

Rom1


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 23:44
Also, closet (bonanza) inside height is around 1,70m, add and EB and Flow table you are left with 1,30m. I take off 30cm for the light at the top to round it up at 1m of usable height for the plant itself. Do you reckon it's enough to grow decent photoperiods ?


Posted By: organicgrow
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:43
Actually, Normal plants are much better suited to grows where height is a constraint. This is because you can train them however you like, whereas autos should be left undisturbed.

Google the Screen of Green (ScrOG) technique. Using this method, you can basically have a very even canopy at the height of your choice.

There isn't much of a difference between growing normal plants as opposed to autos. If anything, autos are more difficult to get right in my opinion, at least in certain aspects.
Cheers


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"I support and oppose many things, but not strongly enough to pick up a pen." - Bender


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 18:08
Hey Organic,
Thanks for your help.
I had a look at ScrOG. So does your answer means "yes 1m is a bit short" ? And I will have to use a restraining technic. Bare in mind I forget the pot itself in my calculation so it's more like 80cm of usable height actually.
Now i'm thinking I could use another hydroponics system than an Eb & Flow table and save 30cm to reach 1,10m of usable height. Like those Alien system with foldable tanks. Or Gtools sell an height extension for the bonanza for 100€ that gives an extra 56cm.
Nothing is bought yet so I can still change option.


Posted By: Provence
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 20:38
Hello Rom1

Let's say that you have 170cm up to roof closet. You remove 25-30cm for the lamp, you're left with 140cm, then the EBB system, you're down to 110cm. Then you must give 60cm between the lamp and the canopy. So you have 50cm for your plants.
That's perfect.
Use photoperiod strains like Northern Lights, Power Plants, and Blue Berries.
You'll need between 30x30 and 45x45cm per plant.
Let them grow until they're around 20cm tall, then start pinching the tops.
Plants will stop growing upward and will start to get bushy.
Pinch them 2-3 times a week. Pinch them hard, don't worry.
With a bit of string you can tie them and bend them so that you favour the lateral branches.

When they're around 40cm tall, switch to 12/12.
Keep them tied up and pinch them hard every 2 days for the first 2 weeks.
After 15-20 days 12/12, remove all the un-necessary branches
and on the longer branches remove all the buds that don't see the light and keep the ones that reach the canopy
Your plants will have a final height of around 60-65cm max, and around 40cm between the bulb and the canopy, that's very good.

Each plant will give you 35-50 grams.
You'll be very happy with your crop

Organicgrow is right, autos are a pain in the ass. They're harder to grow correctly, you have no room for mistakes, specially during the vegetative phase.

Prov


Posted By: organicgrow
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 21:12
Originally posted by rom1ru2

Hey Organic,
Thanks for your help.
I had a look at ScrOG. So does your answer means "yes 1m is a bit short" ? And I will have to use a restraining technic. Bare in mind I forget the pot itself in my calculation so it's more like 80cm of usable height actually.
Now i'm thinking I could use another hydroponics system than an Eb & Flow table and save 30cm to reach 1,10m of usable height. Like those Alien system with foldable tanks. Or Gtools sell an height extension for the bonanza for 100€ that gives an extra 56cm.
Nothing is bought yet so I can still change option.


Hey

80-110 cm of available height is fine for a grow, but you definitely need to apply some form of training. I suggested SCrOG since it's the easiest to get right for beginners, and has a number of other benefits in addition to height control.

I would actually say that regardless of how much height you have available, it's always a good idea to train your plants when growing indoors. An important reason to do so is to maximize your gram/watt efficiency by creating an even canopy at the optimal distance from the light. This ensures that you get the most out of your light.

A more advanced/efficient technique (especially when it comes to height control) would be the Sea of Green (SOG) method, but you would need clones for that. So maybe some time in the future you can experiment with this too.

Regarding hydroponics: Ebb and Flow is a good, efficient system; no arguments there. However, it is considered a 'pure hydroponic' setup; so it's somewhat unforgiving of mistakes, meaning you will have a short reaction window if something goes wrong.

A good compromise between soil and hydro would be 'soilless' culture. You might wanna look into that as well. The best soilless substrate available would be Coco in my opinion. It's as efficient as hydro, but much more forgiving, and with a longer reaction window if things go wrong. It does involve a bit of manual labor though, but well worth it in my opinion.

Cheers



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"I support and oppose many things, but not strongly enough to pick up a pen." - Bender


Posted By: Provence
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 22:00
Organic said it all ahaha.

But let's not complicate things too much.
If you like those alien system, they indeed look really nice, be sure to use a reservoir chiller and set it to 20° celcius.
Otherwise your solution will never be stable, it'll start to foam and pH EC checkings will give you headaches.
With a chiller you'll be fine.


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 08:49
Thank you both for the time spend to help me. I really appreciate it.

Well you did a very good job and as usual it seems that nothing comes with nothing ! So photoperiods and a bit of care and work that's what I will go for. And as Prov said, I will learn with my mistakes and move forward. I'll stick with the Eb & Flow table too.

I'll keep you posted.

Have a good week guys, see you later

Rom1


Posted By: organicgrow
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 11:04
Sounds good!
Best of luck %3chumbs%20Up


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"I support and oppose many things, but not strongly enough to pick up a pen." - Bender


Posted By: rom1ru2
Date Posted: 22 September 2017 at 14:58
Hi guys!
It took longer than expected but I finally get it. I went for Bonanza black 1m2 with cob led light X-Max4 V4.
I did not buy the irrigation table yet, I wanted to pick your brains first. I've made researched and I am tempted by aeroponics. What do you think?



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