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Posted By: afreespirit
Subject: Viewer Discretion is Advised
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 04:53
I am so tired of people debating about legalizing marijuana in the United States, knowing that the Mexican Cartels are only going to get worse. If the cartels are making billions from marijuana, then I am convinced the United States could easily make trillions.  Legalizing marijuana could help this country get out of debt.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-journalist-disappears-mexico-drug-cartel-stronghold/story?id=16645695 - http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-journalist-disappears-mexico-drug-cartel-stronghold/story?id=16645695
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/23/12376087-14-mutilated-corpses-threat-message-to-drug-cartel-found-in-mexican-city?lite - http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/23/12376087-14-mutilated-corpses-threat-message-to-drug-cartel-found-in-mexican-city?lite



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Posted By: afreespirit
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 07:28

I cannot help but wonder if the rest of the world is fully aware of the unspeakable brutal violence in Mexico’s war on drugs

I cannot help but wonder if the rest of the world is fully aware of the unspeakable brutal violence in Mexico, because the United States will not legalize pot.

Biggest ever? Video of giant marijuana plantation in Mexico

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWuHuqWauRU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWuHuqWauRU

Sure, I understand Mexico also makes money from heroin, cocaine and meth but not nearly as much as marijuana. And this is what happens when the cartels own the marijuana trade in the United States and the other countries who will not legalize marijuana.



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Posted By: sicklehand
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 11:28
i would think the cartels are also feeling the pinch from large sections of there market vanishing into thin air due to the compassionate use act/home grown cannabis, it makes me think these killings are only going to get worse as there bizz shrinks and worse still the influx of cocaine & other nastys will increase to compensate.

when will the world wake up and smell coffee, we've stalled to long it makes me think that governments have something to gain from it being illegal in fact i know they do, i mean the budget for the "war on drugs" would go a long way in funding rehabilitation & management/control, this brings to mind a point made by someone a year or so ago that there is a world shortage of morphine but yet the afghans thais Pakistanis produce more than enough surely it would be better use the resources than spend billions to combat it lol i guess it keeps the global purse ticking over.       


Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 13:25
Most of the killings are about controlling the enormously lucrative cocaine market, and to a lesser extent the methamphetamine and opiate markets.

Cannabis is also trafficked by these cartels, and makes money for them, but it's not right to say it fuels the violence.

If cannabis were legalised tomorrow, the narco-violence in Mexico would not abate.

Actually, I take your point that without cannabis, the overall market for bringing drugs into the US would be smaller, so there might be a flare up of violence as cartels try to recoup the part of their income no longer supplied by cannabis. Still, I'd guess that cannabis would account for less than 10% of their cash flow.

The War on (certain) Drugs is the obvious cause of most of the violence and harm associated with drugs, and I'd agree that the chaos caused by this war is politically useful to governments around the world.

Regarding your p[oint about opium, it was estimated a few years ago that the yearly cost of buying the entire Afghan poppy crop for use in medicine would be significantly cheaper than the yearly cost of attempting to eradicate, interdict and generally control the poppy harvest.


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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 16:03
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Posted By: sicklehand
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 18:19
damn it i just wrote a long reply an my internet timed out Grrrrrr damn you BT


Posted By: afreespirit
Date Posted: 28 June 2012 at 08:10
In my opinion, huge corporations influence the United States government. I would not be surprised if the big pharma and the oil companies are constantly lobbying against the legalization of marijuana, because hemp can be used for energy and marijuana can be more effective than some pharmaceutical opiates. I do not think the pharmaceutical companies can patent a plant, unless they made marijuana GMO. Now that is a scary thought.


Posted By: afreespirit
Date Posted: 28 June 2012 at 08:53

This is a lot of money. "Marijuana remains America's most popular illicit drug, and the U.S. market has been valued anywhere between $10 billion and $120 billion annually. Here's more on how experts determine the numbers." http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-pot-republic/marijuana-economics/ -

Because cannabis is illegal, figuring out the annual earnings makes it impossible. I believe Mexico’s drug trade, is “one” of Mexico’s primary economical sources that creates jobs for their people, which might be why so many Mexican officials are corrupt. If the United States relied on Mexico for pot, hemp and all other THC products, maybe our government could convince the Mexican government to make ephedra illegal, since ephedra is the a key ingredient in the production of methamphetamine, stopping Mexico from buying bulks from China, would also cripple the Mexican cartels methamphetamine supply. I REALLY feel the Chinese government is the USA’s worst enemy. There is no simple solution, but the war on drugs is a big joke. Just knowing that the people who are capable of this type of violence in Mexico and then are crossing the borders every day, is a chilling thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_the_Peoples_Republic_of_China - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China


Posted By: afreespirit
Date Posted: 28 June 2012 at 09:58

Here are a few good movie and documentaries to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMVJgpYiXMQ&hd=1 -
  Miss Bala http://youtu.be/g357MHuj8WE - http://youtu.be/g357MHuj8WE
 
  Narco War Next Door: Vanguard  http://youtu.be/uqh3do6RBXo - http://youtu.be/uqh3do6RBXo


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Posted By: afreespirit
Date Posted: 29 June 2012 at 10:14
The reality and truth on why Mexico could pay farmers more if Marijuana legalized. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/jan-june12/mexico_06-27.html - http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/jan-june12/mexico_06-27.html


Posted By: obsessive
Date Posted: 05 July 2012 at 00:01
if everyone grows their own there will be no cartels, but hey people get greedy



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