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  Quote Grasso Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2007 at 00:20
Hello,

the survival of mankind is often described or visioned with a lot of pathetic words. Hemp fields are just hemp fields.

Quartzen, it does not matter if temperatures in Germany are 7 °C off the average now because all that counts is the global temperature. The latter has risen by 1 °C due to mankind. But if the climate in every part of the world is changed so much that forests die and crops do not grow anymore then it does matter. We will see.

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  Quote Frank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2007 at 15:04
Great argument guys. There are plain facts and a lot of guessing around by us novice and experts alike. Naturally scientific data can be considered legitimate as there are scores of experts working together,sharing information and debating arguments. Flora on our mother planet is absolutely vital for its survival and  balance since it evolved naturally ,even before cave men could  mutter. But as cave men evolved so did earth with its ice age and different climatic era. As mentioned earlier humans impact on our ecosystem only began a century ago along with industrialization. A hundred years is puny in earths life span but still significant regarding the impact it had so far. We are living in such a high transcient world today where the accelarative thrust is so great that we can barely hold on to our hats, values and forests. Our planet is over-populated with energy-hungry megapolises,greedy and ignorant politicians who breed a throw-away society which threatens the vital balance of our earth. Although I believe there is light at the end of the tunnel as our nature awareness is growing world-wide, backed up by the technological engine allowing far greater interactions amongst nations and means of conducting investigations,experiment and studies of our planets delicately intertwined ecosystem.

There was a great documentary on climate change by National Geographic, where they took air samples from ice drilled in the Antarctic. Tiny air bubbles get trapped in the ice layers over centuries and by testing the composition of these "air samples" they could compose a graph showing atmosperic conditions dating back to thousands of years.
Interestingly even before humans could have contributed to climate change,there were peaks in the graphs indicating a major change in climate possibly caused by huge volcanic eruptions or meteorite impacts.But unfortunately scientist predict the change we are facing now,indicated by the graphs will be the most severe to come.
Btw if I remember correctly from my biology studies from high school a cow produces something like four kg of methane gas every day."Early in the Earth's history—about 3.5 billion years ago—there was 1,000 times as much methane in the atmosphere as there is now. The earliest methane was released into the atmosphere by volcanic activity. During this time, Earth's earliest life appeared. These first, ancient bacteria added to the methane concentration by converting hydrogen and carbon dioxide into methane and water. Oxygen did not become a major part of the atmosphere until photosynthetic organisms evolved later in Earth's history. With no oxygen, methane stayed in the atmosphere longer and at higher concentrations than it does today."From Wikipedia......Cheers bom siva.Cool

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  Quote DonQuichote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2007 at 17:50
Shall I have a go then?
Mind you - I am not going to prove anything. But I do not believe in any "magic" solution to the world's problems. The problem is how we do agriculture, not what we grow.

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<snip>... and pollution reduced. This sustainable resource does it all at one time and is an old acquaintance: cannabis – hemp.’

I think you are wrong here. At this moment, hemp is an ecological sound product. Just like cotton was when it was still growing in the wild. But, as far as I know, hemp is not cultivated in absurd large monocultures like we do with cotton. And that's the problem.

Hemp may have a large number of good qualities, but not the necessary qualities for all the demands of any ecosystem. That means that you also need other things, which together form the "equilibrium in nature". If we try to change that equilibrium, nature reacts. This may be either a positive or a negative reaction, and equilibriums can be stable or unstable. So growing nothing but hemp will yield a paradise for nothing-but-hemp-eaters. Whether they already have evolved or not.

Introducing a successful lifeform in one ecosystem into an unprepared other ecosystem can even be downright dangerous. American lobsters are taking over dutch ecosystems, there was much to do about a lake in africa that has been taken over by introduced fish, and these are just examples. There have been insects introduced from europe into the USA that did a huge lot of damage to the american wood industry.

Potatoes used to be the magic solution to crop failure. So we switched to growing potatoes in europe, which in turn led to a giant crop failure in potatoes. And that crop failure killed a vast number of people.

There was a nice documentary on television a few years ago. It was about a biologist who researched the "arms race" between insect poisons and insects becoming resistant to them. At that time, cotton was genetically modified to produce a nerve poison to resist being eaten by insects. The reaction to this was a generation of insects that hardly used their nerve system at all. These insects were awfully slow, but could stay alive on the poisonous plants. Now the biologist remarked that such insects would hardly stand a change on normal, unpoisoned cotton, because these slow insects were an easy prey for any insect-eater. But the poisoned cotton protected them. The insect eaters could not stand the poison yet. So these insects did not survive despite the poisoning, but because of the poisoning. The farmers are thinking that they are fighting the insects, but they are in fact helping them. The biologist did some calculations and expected that the arms race could be stopped if the farmers would grow 20% of their cotton organically: the resistant insects would be eaten on the ecological plants, and enough of the rest would die on the poisonous plants they were already growing.

So I don't think hemp is the answer. No single crop is. Stopping to believe in monoculture would do more good. If you really want to affect the environment with just hemp, you would need a dangerous amount of it. This solution would rapidly become your next problem.
It would bring new diseases and pests, you'd need dangerous chemicals (made from oil probably) to fight them and you might come with a new statement about stinging nettles. Which are not a solution either.

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  Quote farmer mick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2007 at 19:19
DonQuichote, the original post says nothing about cannabis/hemp being the only crop on Earth.
 
It says cannabis/hemp can supply "the greater part of the world’s demand for products such as paper, food, textiles and construction material" in the event of a ban on fossil fuels and the felling of trees.
 
The premise is that cannabis/hemp can meet most of this demand, while allowing other plants like trees (in conjunction with an end to use of fossil fuels) to restore the atmosphere of the Earth and reverse the greenhouse effect.
 
The basic argument is that there is no need for humanity to cut down trees or to burn and process fossil fuels.
 
That's not to say that a huge upsurge in cannabis cultivation wouldn't upset the ecological equilibrium on Earth, but personally I don't think it would cause any major problems if it was properly controlled.
 
If it did bring new diseases and pests, nature would almost certainly find a way of keeping these pests within safe limits, as long as farmers were willing to put their greed to one side and accept the loss of a small portion of their crop.
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  Quote Quarzen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2007 at 23:27
cannabis can deliver paper, textiles, kind of food, oil, material for houses and various other things.
but its been proved ( and that not from me, I only posted it )  that any plant , except wide (rain) forests, cant save our climative conditions !
 
I find it funny that the last post was in 10/06 and now it comes to a new deabate on it, so its fun - and no stress ! 
 
wish you all a good smoke ! weed leaf
 
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  Quote farmer mick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 00:22
Quarzen, the Hempflax challenge doesn't say that cannabis can save our climatic conditions. It says cannabis can provide paper, textile, construction material, energy, etc while trees repair the damage to the environment.
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  Quote Quarzen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 00:51
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‘If the greenhouse effect were to be reversed by a ban on all fossil fuels and their derivatives, or if their use were to come to an end, and no more trees were allowed to be felled in order to prevent further deforestation, then there would be one natural resource able to supply the greater part of the world’s demand for products such as paper, food, textiles and construction material. This annually renewable resource can also provide energy to the industry, transport and the home. Meanwhile, the soil and the atmosphere on Earth can be restored and pollution reduced. This sustainable resource does it all at one time and is an old acquaintance: cannabis – hemp.’
 
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  Quote farmer mick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 12:21
"If the greenhouse effect were to be reversed by a ban on all fossil fuels and their derivatives, or if their use were to come to an end, and no more trees were allowed to be felled in order to prevent further deforestation..."
 
I think this makes it clear that the soil and the atmosphere on Earth would be restored and pollution reduced by an end to the burning of fossil fuels and an end to the destruction of forests, not by fields of cannabis plants.
 
The purpose of the cannabis plants is to provide the resources that are currently derived from cutting down trees and from burning and processing fossil fuels.
 
However, cannabis by itself can also be beneficial to the planet. As a food crop, or when grown for textiles, it is more environmentally friendly than existing crops.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp - "While cotton uses 25% of the Earth's pesticides, hemp does not need any."
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  Quote Quarzen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 16:39

if the development of the mankind goes on like this, they will stop felling trees when theres only few left in the rainforest (and its main regulator on our planet by now).

...and then hemp will be a good delivering source for all these things, but it will never help to restore the atmosphere or prevent pollution.
I wrote this now couple of times, its been proved cause they made new experiments with all kind of plants and recognized this output on methan the first time ( in 06 ). trees can help (though they have a great methan output), but no commercial using of cannabis and also not corn, tobacco, wheat, and so on.
and : commercial fields irrtate the atmophere above.
 
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  Quote farmer mick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 21:42
Okay Quarzen, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.
 
Neither I nor HempFlax have said that cannabis will directly restore the atmosphere or prevent pollution.
 
The argument is that cannabis can supply the majority of human beings' demand for paper, textile, construction material, energy, food etc.
 
Therefore, there is no need to cut down trees, burn fossil fuels or grow crops that require vast amounts of chemical pesticides and fertiliser added to the soil.
 
Now, can we please call a truce? I really wish I'd stayed out of this argument.
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  Quote Quarzen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 21:45
no more comments from my side, but I will stay at my point.
 
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  Quote farmer mick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 21:54
Cheers Q. We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.
 
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  Quote Grasso Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2007 at 22:17
Hello,

hemp is easily grown and easily worked into paper, ropes, fabric, food and so on. A sane world based on hemp did not need so much energy, minerals and water. Everybody can prove that for and reward oneself instantly.

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  Quote sickhaze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2007 at 09:18
yeah that will really help it will a little but its true we still have waste i believe this will build up an excess of waste products from the hemp yeah maybe we should try it for a month lmao but the waste will build and then we have different problems yes hydro electric power is the way the onli consequence free power  
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  Quote Canna Zine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2007 at 14:21
Hi guys - goeden dag;

Congratulations to Mr Dronkers and co for raising awareness to the hemp cause!

My name is Red dragon ;) and I'm the cannabis/hemp news editor at http://cannazine.co.uk - daily zine for the cannabis scene.

Having just signed up as a new member (looking for some information) I hoped no one would mind if I added my tuppenceworth (a frightfully British term if ever there was one) to the debate.

Lots of people believe hemp to be the saviour of the planet, and it has some great qualities, on this we all agree?

But saviour?

As much as people in the press would have you believe its simply a case of planting some hemp seeds to get the first commercial hemp crops grown legally since the second world war, thats just not the case!

In North Dakota farmers are sitting, waiting, wishing, whilst the administration umms and aah's over when the hemp licences will be released.

With the growing season already started, farmers are yet to procure seeds and equipment, essentially writing off this growing season even though the US administration received (and banked) the almost $2500 dollars a commercial hemp licence costs annually!

Elsewhere, because of the specialist nature of hemp (its tough - this we know), special machinery designed to cope the the rigours of processing hemp is being designed and built in barns on backwater farms as the technology just doesn't exist at this stage, to deal with the raw hemp in any mass.

Lets face it, apart from some well thumbed references to the "Indoore" method, there isn't a lot of hard fact around concerning hemp and its cultivation, as well as the handling of the raw material itself, and until this issue is resolved there doesn't seem to be a lot of point in growing it.

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Hemp still carries with it the stigma of a distant and 'accidental' relationship with the devil weed marijuana (a publicity job undertaken by Harry Anslinger which was more successful as well as a lot more expensive, than any undertaken by Pepsi).

And until power is wrenched from Harry's long deceased hands (he died in 1975) once and for all, any moves toward hemp legislation will carry on at the pace it does today..painfully slowly!

Without industry spending its money in research & development, hemp will continue to be classed as the hippie cause - one not to be taken seriously.

But before this can happen, the "prime-movers" within the hemp lobby need to mobilize, to organize, and to analyze, on the way to setting up a publicity machine which has the ability to spread the message far & wide. To counter the adverse messages with positive stories and articles, showing the benevolent side of hemp, as well as its subversive sibling, the cannabis plant.

The Internet (and the social bookmarking phenomena) have paved the way for people to take their own message and spread it far and wide, in communities of like minds on MySpace, Facebook etc and this is where the battle could be won!

Even politicians have not yet wised up to the use of the social networks to spread a message. But its a powerful tool, served to people who search for a specific topic genre, so spam filters are taken fully out of the equation and our information served hot and fresh, to a generation unafraid of undertaking transacions online. 

This is the Ebay generation!

If you would like to know more about how to use cutting edge technology to move information in a way that just wasn't possible a year or so back, check in with us at the canna zine - daily zine for the cannabis scene.

Good luck Hempflax!

Red Dragon


Edited by Canna Zine - 17 June 2007 at 14:27
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