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    Posted: 11 August 2008 at 18:05

Hi Ganja

Following on from your support on Passports 1st grow: I flowered an Early Girl in Early July.  I did 12/12 inside ( sucessfully) then put it outside - I took a chance on the weather and hoping it would not go back to veg growth.It's been in the sun when it's been sunny and in the greenhouse when its not. It has new growth - but not loads - small very green feathery leaves.
 
It was doing great until the last few days when i fear it is starting to rot. It has a very sickly sweet smell to it, feels very sticky and has mottled leaves. There are flowers there and lots of them but i am afarid i may have lost her. I have seen this before and it goes down hill very quickly.
 
What do i do? Leave it outside - where quite frankly the weather is dreadful. Inside the house - where its dry or greenhouse it - where its damp?? Do I Cut out any suspect areas ?
 
Help from yourself or any of the well tuned folks would be great
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  Quote Highasa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2008 at 18:48
i would certainly be tempted to bring her in. I used a greenhouse last year and they do get very humid which is ideal for budrot.
 
If it is budrot then yes cut out the suspect areas to stop it from spreading.
 
If you are bringing her in be careful about light pollution and I guess put it back into 12/12, I'd also used a fan to keep the air circulating.
 
that is what I'd do....but I am no expert!
 
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  Quote Signum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2008 at 19:22
a fan would be good to keep it dry, but a fan also spreads all the mould right?
 
good luck rescuing dude! it's nasty to see such a precious plant rotting away...
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Hi chillumpuffer,
 
I just yesterday spotted two patches of mould on one of my Thais (actually a friend spotted them). I thought I had been paying close attention but obviously not close enough. It looked like one little leaf had died and gone mouldy and it had started to spread. The patches were small, both restricted to one small branch each. I cut them off and the plants are looking okay today.
 
What you say about the sickly smell worries me a bit, as the Thais have started to take on a smell like your description. Unfortunately I can't move mine, as they are in the ground, but I'd recommend you get yours somewhere dryer if you can, from my recent experience.
 
Now I'm just praying for dryish weather, as I'm sure you are. Good luck chillumpuffer.
 
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  Quote chillumpuffer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2008 at 10:49
Hi Folks
 
My Girl has died. All has gone. This country's weather has certainly done it's worse.
 
It will now be recycled. As Basil Fawlty once said " Lucky Old Bin"
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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2008 at 11:16
You might want to keep the plant, rather than binning it.

If you're familiar with the water-hash process, you can make good hash from mouldy buds - the washing and screening process will either wash the spores through the screen or cause them to float at the top. of the washing container.

In the end, you get pure, contamination-free resin. The bags for making water hash might constitute a bit of an outlay, but they're worth owning if you grow and have an interest in hash.

Dry-screening mouldy bud is not a good idea if you want to avoid fungus spores.
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  Quote chillumpuffer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2008 at 11:51
Thanks Ganja
 
I only have one plant - albeit a 5ft one. I take on board what you've said and I think I have seen the method on you tube ( is this done with ice?) Interestingly i am more of a hash smoker as a rule.
 
I can only assume this  rot problem is pretty endemic to outdoor (or greenhouse) growing in this part of the world ( North England). The summer has been the worse i can remember - high humidity, high rainfall and feck all sun
 
As for your advice how can one stop this? I also grow tomatoes and a few Thai Aubergines in the greenhouse. Does this affect the overall humidity or is it better just to grow green only?
 
I am seriously considering not bothering next year as it's not the first time this has happened.
 
Thanks for all's advice and i hope nobody has to see the demise of such a once healthy girl
 
 
 
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Well, there's fungus and there's fungus. But even in the wet and humid northern summer, it need not be a common outcome.

Things like powdery mildew or the various leaf-spot funguses are a problem, but they're not a disaster, as they can be controlled quite effectively with bio fungicides, bleach or (in the case of mildew) a light dusting of baking soda (upsets the pH balance enough to kill off mildew).

Botrytis (grey mould) is the real bastard. Other funguses consume already-decomposing plant matter, but botrytis actually attacks plant matter, causing it to rot and become a food source. It's much more invasive than the other types of fungus, and it can often be eating away at the centre of a bud with few external symptoms until it's too late. I've seen gorgeous, foot-long Jack Flash buds that looked a treat from the outside, which were filled with grey mould when broken open (these buds did go on to make the best hash I've tried, so it wasn't a total loss).

Sulphur is a good cure for most, if not all fungus, but it's not an element I'd want to introduce into the air when buds are developed beyond about the fourth week. Sulphur is usually distributed via the air, so is only really usable indoors or in the greenhouse.

Basic ways to avoid fungus:

1. Keep a very clean greenhouse, with as little dead plant matter about the place as possible. While weather conditions may be worse outside than in the greenhouse, the greenhouse is probably more likely cause fungus as it keep plants much warmer and more humid. Wet buds are a potential danger for fungus, but a warm, humid dead-air atmosphere is much worse.

2. Install an extractor fan for the greenhouse, venting out the top or even via concealed tube if neighbours are a problem (the longer the tube, the more powerful the fan must be).
You could have the fan on a timer, or even attached to a cheap hygrostat that will detect humidity and turn on the fan when it gets too high.
The fan will decrease the chance of fungus greatly, and if it's kept on during most of the day it will also also allow plants to grow faster by maintaining high levels of CO2 in the greenhouse.

3. Grow a mould-resistant, outdoor strain that's been bred for northern Europe. Thai weed is almost the polar opposite of this. Thai's open bud structure helps it resist fungus to some extent, but no other part of the plant is really equipped to deal with Euro weather conditions.
Early Skunk, Early Pearl, Durban, Mexican Sativa, even Early Girl and Jamaican Pearl have good resistance to fungus.

I don't think other plants will increase the chance of fungus much, though they may be hiding places for bugs or errant spores that could re-infect plants after they're cleaned.
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Thanks Ganja for all your tips and thoughts
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  Quote figment Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2008 at 19:36
Yep, nice posts Ganja, cheers. The Thais are still looking good, touch wood...
 
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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 August 2008 at 12:32
Whoops, I think I got two different grow-reports mixed up, thinking that chillumpuffer was growing Thai.

Not trying to undermine/jinx your Thai,  figment!
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  Quote Highasa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 August 2008 at 13:33
sorry to hear that chillumpuffer, gutted for you!
 
It did make me take a closer look at mine though because the weather has been **&^%$£$ crap and it is really starting to p me off - to be polite about it!
 
I found on the G12 that the damaged leaves mould growing - last year the same variety went the same way as yours.
 
The others seem ok .....for now but with more wet weather on the way for how long...
 
you could try getting some auto flowerers and doing a few in the greenhouse....we've gotta get some prolonged sunshine at some stage!!
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I know what you mean about the sun. never in the history of mankind has the UK never had a (bit of) summer, but yes this is the year. Last time i fired up the barbie was 5th June - IN SCOTLAND !!!
 
Mr Early Girl really has gone this time. Got home yesterday and all the flowers and heads have drooped - even though the soil is damp so i ruled out drought. The smell is most off putting - i have pulled off damp leaves and had it in the loft - by the velux to dry but as Jim Morrison sang " This is the end - beautiful friend"
 
My partner was more realistic - she said lets move to Spain or fire up a bowl of the blonde leb have had in my tin for a month or so .
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  Quote figment Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 August 2008 at 16:14
Originally posted by Ganja

Whoops, I think I got two different grow-reports mixed up, thinking that chillumpuffer was growing Thai.

Not trying to undermine/jinx your Thai,  figment!
 
 
Not at all, Ganja! I had thought that to be the case, or that you had just meant it "incidentally". Always hungry for knowledge, so any comment appreciated, while obviously not wanting to thread-hijack!
 
Sorry to hear it continues for you chillumpuffer, the Leb sounds nice indeed! I do long for some nice hash every now and then. Shall have to make my own...
 
The MET Office point to a sea-change in UK weather around the end of next week, with drier conditions on the way. They have for a couple of weeks now been predicting a prolonged dry spell to start around this time. And as I keep mentioning (say something enough and it becomes the truth!), there is word that we may be in for an Indian Summer! I'll keep praying for it anyway!!
 
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  Quote chillumpuffer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 August 2008 at 16:39
Me too figment. Even though my Girls gone everyone needs a bit of sun now and again.
 
Lets hope that we do get an Indian Summer - but having said that it was none too pleasant in Varanasi when I was there one summer !!
 
Good luck with your Thais man
 
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