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    Posted: 01 September 2012 at 12:23

I reckon that no one will engage as an “expert” in a future court trial. So to support my opinions I will use forums with “experts” to discuss this. If you can contribute, write a comment to my post or send me an PM.

 

The case: 146 plants were seized. Two of the plants was 76 gram and 162,5 gram (fully grown). The rest was just cuttings (size 10-20 cm). An expert from the police has used the two fully grown plants to estimate what these 144 cuttings could have developed to become. The calculation:

76 gram total – 15 gram plant stem = 61 gram                   61 x 144 = 8784 gram cannabis

Thc-content plant 1.1: 3 %

61g x 3/100 = 1,83g THC                                                               1,83g x 144 = 263g THC

As the thc-content were so low, they calculated this to hashish (8 % - 10 %)

Translated to hashish: 2,63 kg (10 %) – 3,29 kg (8 %)

or:

Using plant 1.2, assuming all the 144 would develop to be identical with this:

162,5g total – 37g plant stem = 125,5g                                  125,5g x 144 = 18072g cannabis

Thc-content plant 1.2: 2 %

125,5g x 2/100 = 2,51g THC                                                         2,51g x 144 = 362g THC

Translated to hashish: 3,61 kg (10 %) – 4,5 kg (8 %)

 

The charge in this case, the 146 plants fully grown would minimum be 8,78 kg cannabis.

Sentencing: 1 year 3 months (Norway)

They have also used a judgment from a case regarding pills to compare this case, estimated 2,7 kg hashish. It's strange using a case regarding pills, it’s a lot of cases with more similarities, like has been growing cannabis…

A cottage (where we grew this) is claimed confiscated. This was the first grow and nothing was ever completed/done.

We do not agree, and we feel that the police have taken this case all out of its proportions. The two plants who is being used as a template in the calculation was standing separate and had one square meter to develop on, they was growing for a long time and was tied down so more buds was developed. The 144 others were in a sea of green system, growing 24 plants on one square meter. A sea of green where the plants are growing that close will only give one top bud. So to directly calculate the 144 plants are all wrong. You can also call this calculation a “best case scenario” if all would have developed like this and survived. I think it’s very opinionating of what this could have resulted in, without thinking of variables like gender, diseases, power cut, nutriment/pH level faultsIn a more nuanced calculation where you look at the difference in the way you grow and variables:

Cultivation: 1 big plant = 12 small plant in this kind of system.

Variables: the ratio of male/female plants can be from 0 % to 100 %, I have used 50 % male and 50 % female plants, the ratio is uncertain. Other variables than this is not calculated. THC-content for male plants has been obtained from an expert rapport. In real life, you throw the male plants away, so they don’t fertilize the female plants and produce seeds…

144/12 = 12 plants. 6 male and 6 female

Using plant 1.1:

76g total – 15g plant stem = 61g                                              61g x 12 = 732g cannabis

Thc-content plant 1.1: 3 %, male plant 0,2 %

30,5g x 3/100 = 0,915g THC                                                         0,915g x 6 = 5,49g THC

30,5g x 0,2g/100 = 0,061g THC                                                   0,061g x 6 = 0,366g THC

Total thc-content: 5,85g

Translated to hashish: 58,56g (10 %) – 73,12g (8 %)

 

Plant 1.2:

162,5 total – 37g plant stem = 125,5g                                     125,5g x 12 = 1506g cannabis

Thc-content plant 1.2: 2 %, male plant 0,2 %

62,75g x 2/100 = 1,255g THC                                                      1,255g x 6 = 7,53g THC

62,75 x 0,2/100 = 0,1255g THC                                                   0,1255g x 6 = 0,753g THC

Total thc-content: 8,283g

Translated to hashish: 82,83g (10 %) – 103,53g (8 %)

This is significant less than the calculation this case is based on, but I mean that this will give a better/more correct estimate of what the 144 plants could have developed to become. I also tried out other calculations as the 1g/1W and 25g per plant in a SOG (optimal process) and a calculation based on the seed producer estimates given in per square meter.

All of these calculations are much closer to my way of calculating than the one used in this case.

If you look at the thc-content, it’s very low. It was our first time growing, but I suspect the police to have measured the plant without drying it first.

So the charge of 8,78 kg cannabis should maybe just been 2,2 kg cannabis (dry)The ratio dry/wet plant: 1:4. 75 % of the plant is water.

Thc-content would then have been 8 % - 10 %, which is more normal.

 

I have used different forums before to support my opinions that 2 big plants on one square meter will give you more than 24 plants in a SOG with the same space and lights. And it’s a big difference in one big soil-grown plant compared to one plant in a SOG system where the plant has just the space and light to develop one top bud.

I hope for some unbiased and impartial feedback on my opinions as I wrote above.

I you need more information, I can write you the information requested in this post.

 

Thank you!

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  Quote organicgrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2012 at 14:32
Hi kesm
Their 'specialist' method for calculation is unfair in my opinion. Yours was closer to reality.

I may have misunderstood your calculations, but I assume that the large plants were female and all the cuttings were taken from them. In this case, gender would not have been a factor as all clones are of the same sex as their parent.

If I'm correct about my assumption, then your calculations may need some adjustment.

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  Quote kesm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2012 at 17:24
We made 5-6 plants, 3-4 plant was used just for cuttings. The rest of the plant was thrown away. Only two of this we grew (the big ones)
 
So what sex the clones had was uncertain. The two big ones was female. But what the other 3-4 plants used for cuttings would have been it's just a quess.
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  Quote mellow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2012 at 14:28
Hey,

Hope everything works out for you :).

Just out of interest how many watt of lights was you running, or how many hps's did you have?


So you took 146 clones without checking if they were male or female? When there parents showed sex were they female? if they were then they was all female, if some were male, then why keep 70+ males?

Any idea how you got caught?


P.S. If you haven't already, i'd be doing a crash course in Norway Law. Also these are England's stance on the subject.

http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/crime/2012/20120430CBACCofCPP.pdf

http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/Drug_Offences_Definitive_Guideline_final_%28web%29.pdf


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  Quote kesm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2012 at 21:04
Lights: for the two big ones 400W HPS
For all the 144 other plants 6x300W
 
We took clones from 3-4 plants. From seeds to plant, then took clones from them, then throw away the rest. This was done before we could tell the sex. So, when the two big ones turned out to be females, the risk of some of this 3-4 plants used for clones was male plants increased.
 
But this was not important, when we had this many. But we knew that when we could see the sex it was to short time for the others to use the space for the males.
 
Space: for the two big ones 1 square meter
For all the 144 other plants: 6 square meter/144
 
Looking at the light and the space you can see that they had a different technique.
The two standing alone in one little room was filling the hole room.
The other 144 planst didn't have the space or the lights to develop like this,
and the result should have been just one top bud.
 
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  Quote mellow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 September 2012 at 10:29
Hey,

The reason I was asking about light is because that has more to do with weight than plant numbers.

My biggest yield under a single hps came from 4 plants, i've done 8 under 1 hps and not got back anywhere near the same results, so light trumps numbers IMO(although there's a limit to everything).

On a good grow you should be getting back around 1gram per watt.

so you have 800wats + 1800 watts = 2400 watts, with a potential of 2400 grams. or 2.4 kilos.

Must first time grower hit around half this? so more like 1.5kilos-2.0kilos.

I had a look at the uks stand and if they caught you, you'd be getting 6-10 years rather than 1 year.
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